![]() In trying to "debunk" red pill theory surrounding marriage, we somehow wound up agreeing with so many red pill talking points that discourage men from marriage. From outside these communities it is commonly believed that incels see sex as a right and that most MGTOW followers are just incels, however both these groups commonly argue against these statements.Hi everyone, I hope you were able to tune into our very first live stream last evening with my friend Alana and myself over at the Aahana Youtube channel where we discussed the state of marriage in modern times and many other issues surrounding "beta rage." FYI, we will be doing these live streams every Wednesday evening at 7pm CST so be sure and tune in.ĭuring last night's episode we examined the infamous murder case involving Chris Watts and the male/female dynamics leading up to the tragic killing of his pregnant wife and young children. From outside these communities, Incel's are seen as people with bad personalities which even within their community would agree can be seen from some struggling with these psychological hardships. MGTOW also believes that if Incel's wanted to recover they would only need to work towards wealth and power to overcome their dispositions. MGTOW tends to look down on the term incel seeing it as derogatory and see those who experience it as less fortunate. This focus for incels can lead to a more nihilistic, deterministic conclusion that their situation is unrecoverable.įrom outside these communities, MGTOWs are seen as either incels in denial or as ex- betabux providers who experienced 'divorce-rape' from their ex-wives. Incel's are more likely to focus on looks as the issue, while MGTOW tend to look at women's sexual desires centering around LMS. Extremist going through the "red pill rage" may be seen as Incels, due to both groups showing high levels of hostility and frustration, that is not to say that the majority of Incels are hostile online, rather hostile MGTOW experiencing "red pill rage" are the most confusing group to identify from outside these communities.Īnother main difference between Incel's and MGTOW is their opinion of female attraction. They may join MGTOW communities where celibacy is not looked down upon and commonalities can be found. An Incel may decide that their celibacy is society's fault, or more accurately women's, and lash out online where they are safer to do so. This philosophy is greatly different than MGTOW, as Incel philosophy would regard their celibacy as out of their control, where as MGTOW views celibacy as a safer approach to life. Some of the more extreme Incel's believe in the Blackpill and they believe that they never had a chance to be with a women since the day they were born. ![]() There is also a common opinion outside of both the Incel and MGTOW community that Incel's main reason for their non-voluntary celibacy is due to their attitude and behavior. It is normally associated with men who are "failures" or are unable to be sexually appealing to women. Incel is, in MGTOW communities, a derogatory term used to describe male non-voluntary celibacy. The major confusion between MGTOW and Incel comes from the last approach listed previously, the voluntary celibate as it can be difficult to determine if celibacy is voluntary or not. The main approaches towards sex can vary from occasional short term dating, focusing on getting laid and leaving women, searching for a NAWALT outside of western society, or choosing a voluntary celibate lifestyle. While there are many different approaches to MGTOW's base philosophy, the majority agree that marriage is not a good idea, that long term relationships are not worth the risk, and their approach to sex after these considerations can vary greatly. These perspectives generally lead to fear of relationships and frustration from the internal and external expectation to fit within societal norms. Some of the more extreme views think female nature is inherently evil/selfish and that female nature can't be overridden. MGTOW forums generally focus on statistical data that shows inequality in society and view the sexual marketplace as a dangerous game with little benefits. MGTOWs also obsess over women instead of posting uplifting content extolling the benefits of a man 'choosing' MGTOW. This estimation is made because almost all men accept sex upon random invitation and most MGTOWs do not appear masculine or attractive enough for women in 2019. Incels frequently claim that most of these men aren't choosing this path and are instead being men sent their own way (MSTOW) by female hypergamy.
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